In short - Abuse of power. Sticking people in the naughty corner. Something that Jarabis has been warned of in the past, to see this be abused doesn't fly with me. He tried making it look like Layteckz started stuff, and while Layteckz did react quite negatively to being moved there (and will be warned, but I don't see a reason to ban him for being provoked by Jarabis) and tried getting Layteckz banned. Not much info available, enough to find out that Jarabis started it all by moving people into Naughty Corner randomly and then yeah. Ban Time: 5 Days, from 2/1/2014
Pretty sure Layteckz has been a pretty consistent problem in PR. I would assume, and I don't want to speak for Jarabis, that it was more a reaction to him and his history of misbehavior than the one specific incident. From what I have seen and heard about Layteckz and his actions, I am in support of a ban proposal against him, and opposed to one against Jarabis.
Problem here is we gave Layteckz another chance to chill out, Jarabis exploited it and used his power to make Layteckz rage in an attempt to get rid of Layteckz purely because of past actions. Not gonna fly.
Yeah. I see your side Art, but I'm going to have to, unfortunately, side with Supplice on this. From what I can gather, from talking to Layteckz, Stev, my personal experience with Jarabis, and from client logs, Jarabis was kind of abusing his power. Further more, from what I can gather, Jarabis was given a chance to present his side of the story, and chose to disconnect rather than try to exonerate himself. Yes, Layteckz could have, and should have, handled the situation better, but without any further information, which Jarabis seemingly refused to give, which is his choice to do, would point to provocation, and that takes some of the blame off of Layteckz. Provoking someone, period, regardless of their past behaviour is not, and should not, be something we endorse. I find that those people inclined to negative actions and behaviours dig themselves into holes readily enough without helping them along.
Well, I didn't want to explain it all, but yeah. And to be fair with the 'refusing to give info' bit, it did say dropped connection, could be internet went out, could be lagged out and went to bed, any number of possibilities. Don't want to judge on that bit.
I will say that I wasn't there, and from my personal experience with Jarabis, which is limited in comparison, and my experience with Layteckz (same thing), I still side with Jarabis. Judging by what you guys've said about the situation, I don't think I have much of a place in this decision. I wasn't there, and I can't judge for myself whether or not Jarabis was out of line.
But, the great thing is, nothing HAS to be permanent. Consequences, bans, etc. can always be reevaluated based on further information. If that's the case, he can always make contact via the forums, steam, etc. to any PR admin, and explain more his side.
I have a couple points to make. I do not wish for my ban to be pardoned. I accept the consequences of my actions. However, I do not like to be accused of things that were not in fact the case. Firstly, I DID NOT intend to piss of Layteckz by moving him to the naughty corner, I did not exclude him, I moved myself there along with Stev and was more just as a laugh. Layteckz did not speak up to say that he was unhappy with being there if he was then I would have told him to reconnect and we would all leave. Secondly, Gorain being a server admin and an admin for various teamspeak servers you should know that often there are issues with connections or angry parents. In my case while I had the link in the text bar sending it to Supplice when my parents turned the internet off as they usually do at around 1:35. Also you should understand that logs may not tell the whole story and if you speak to Stev I am sure he will back me saying we were joking around. P.S if you were interested in the abuse link here it is http://i.imgur.com/6FAKyQV.png
Jarabis, decisions were made with all the evidence currently available. I DID see that link, and it was concluded that that was a response that is somewhere understandable for being moved into a channel where you can't move back out, and given the history with layteckz, it pretty much falls into the category of expected behaviour for the level of maturity previously exhibited. As far as logs go, all I could see is that he joined your channel, and later, you moved the three of you into that channel. I also had made it clear to you earlier that I didn't find it very funny the second time I was move. And, finally, when drama is started by certain people in TeamSpeak and forums for the most innocent things, it should be a no-brainer to NOT do things that needlessly cause drama, and give people an opportunity to be a victim. Stev was unable to give an accurate account of events due to being high, you were unable to give an account, and Layteckz isn't very cooperative either. Therefor, with available information, and the understanding that you may be available to give new information on the chance that you had something happen like your internet cutting out, an admin (who, by the way is NOT me) made a decision based on the evidence available, which is an appropriate thing to do. Especially considering the relatively minor severity of consequences
http://pr-gaming.net/wiki/teamspeak-rules/ I was not given any warnings. All that I was told was that Gorian didn't appreciate being moved there.
From what I have experienced and seen, being in the same channels as Jarabis, I have the same opinion as Art. Also I do not believe what you call "provoking" is what truly happened. I do not see this choice as "fair" because of what Layteckz has been able to get away with. Also being in the same channels as jarabis I do not believe he "instigated" a reaction. Even if anyone here were to "instigate" a reaction from me it still wouldn't give me the right to go and make others mad etc. If someone is causing a problem report it, there shouldn't be any reason to "rage". There is no excuse. Basically the ban that has been placed on Jarabis is something I find ignorant. By ignorant I mean instead of facing the problem head on a ban is placed to push away the "drama" Many people have complained about Layteckz being a nuisance. The problem is still here and it is not being fixed, only postponed. And for Jarabis, I find he has done nothing wrong. Just my personal preference. I usually stay quiet unless, something starts to irritate me, continuous problems are arising from a individual, or others are being disrespected in a way that shouldn't be allowed. Just because I am not of rank of some of the clan "hierarchy" doesn't mean I won't give a piece of my mind. Nor am I afraid to do so. If something is going to be successful it requires action, time, responsibility, leadership, and most importantly COMMUNICATION. Which I have found that communication in {PR} as a clan is lacking a bit in this department. Just my opinion on things.
I trust you see how this applies to the very post that contains it? You seem to be making a bigger deal out of it than is reasonable. Yes, PR as a clan is not ideal in its structure or the current state of interaction between its members, but I think that coming off as angrily as I perceived you in this post does not serve to support the betterment of the collective situation we're experiencing. I do appreciate your opinion, however, and agree on the grounds that Jarabis did not deserve such an extensive ban for his actions. I'd further suggest that Layteckz need to shape up, and that PR admins should react more strictly to his actions.
Jabby you walk a fine line between cheeky and insubordinate. I agree, ban stands. You are all members you should know the rules. If you are unsure, go read them again. You do not move people without their permission. Reading the rules IS a warning. Further warnings are given on a case by case basis. Layteckz has received a ban. Member complaints process is up for review. In the interim, post your issues in members only the new bans/reports section of the forum. I have not been made aware of issues since laytecks' ban. Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk
sorry for my late response i do beleave jerabis was playing around he does it alot but if he was abusing his powers wouldnt it be just simple and romve his powers instead of losing a member? u know its just simple... and for drama seems like all i do is read it when someone complains about someone else yet they complain about the person making drama its funny yet annoying...... i think he should be allowed back but with his powers removed if an admin is abusing powers u remove there right to be admin i never seen admins that have abused there powers banned till now...
